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Hi DeeMeRkárs 🙂
Due to the fact, that there are several of us on DMRka sewn under different TG,
and then we can't find each other on the band, I suggest to everyone - who wants to be more accessible to others - to be QRV on TG 2311. This TG works in TS1, on everyone (len) OM DMR converters.
TG 2311 could be such an all-Slovak DMR transfer channel, and who would be interested in talking longer, resp. would not want to disturb others with its operation, it would be retuned to another TG - e.g. of the local transferor, two linked converters, or to any TG "on demand" in TS2, such as TG 23110. Thus, it would be o.i. even the network is maximally lightened, because practically only one would be in operation, or two converters in TS2 (unless someone at the next transferor also requests the given TG by locking, which of course would be fine). And independently of that, the "convening" TG would work 2311 vTS1.
And what about you friends?, as you see it?
the proposal does not include the use of TG231 / TS1. He would be more suitable as a summoner than 2311 / TS1. Everyone has it programmed on the radio, mostly also assigned in RX group when preset to TG2311 and possibly also with others. Currently, TG231 is not used much due to TX limitation on all OM+OK operators.
TG2311 should stay on “nationwide” chat and if it bothers someone, let him remove TG2311 from the RX group from the prefix TG2311 (TG230). I do not think so, that they would be TG231 / TG2311 is especially used for long OM conversations. Statistics are available at: https://brandmeister.network/?page=callstats select TG231x.
TG23110 is a long-term agreement, exactly is not used in a manner, as it should, it's just about user habits.
The same is true for using the TG230 in OK, where is the deal on TG23010 from December 2016. Unfortunately, they do not have an agreement “national” TG like us and the agreement to use something other than TG230 is not easy, as it requires changing codeplugs for users, that's why they use TG230 (which is also common in our country from most RPTs).
What's in my codeplugs? “couple of users” in the MD-380 and GD-77, I also have TG231 assigned in the RX group on the preselection 2311 and vice versa, so your suggestion is “compatible”.
Chat 23110 / TS2 for each OM RPT will be incorporated in the next version, I am making more modifications in the codeplug for the MD-380, mainly with regard to new rpts and other inclusion of TG230 in RX groups / presets. Codeplug for GD-77 has already been implemented.
In case of agreement on TG231 as “summoner” I can redo the RX list for the TG231 prefix, I throw out TG2311 from it.
Created page for codeplugs https://sites.google.com/site/prevadzace/om-dmr-codeplugs
with a link from the list of operators https://sites.google.com/site/prevadzace/at 4 pmMember
Gejsa, I completely agree, with what you wrote, somehow I also have DMR on.
I'm listening to someone else 231, 2311 + I'm scanning the analog Bozen for that, where it really lives.
I have at home 16 canal motorola motorola, without display (resp. just the channel number 1-16)
1. RX 230, 231, 2311, and the weather jokes. TX 231. Siroky scan (everything)
2. RX 231, 2311. TX 2311. Uzky scan (only this channel and Bozen)
3. RX cottages and premises, TX 23010 cz chat – on demand, TS2, little used yet
4. RX cottages and premises, TX 23110 sk chat – on demand.
5. RX cottages and premises, TX local OM0ODB, TS2. Siroky scan (everything)
6. echotest OM0ODB
7. analog – monitoring OM0ODB, without TSQ
8. – 14. the same but for the future operator in Dubravka, OM0ODD
15. DMR direct, according to the people of Kosice, 438.125, TG9 (letters with memories, but I guess we understand each other)
16. analogova Bozena OM0OUB, uzky scan (toto + 2.)
I always have it turned on 16. (or 2.) so scanom. I figured, that I don't even need the display, even such a station is enough 🙂
I purposely designed TG2311 and no 231 – also out of consideration for OK stations. When broadcast on 2311, communication takes place only on OM converters, but when on 231, so also on OK. By broadcasting below TG231, the throughput of the entire TS1 would be unnecessarily reduced, so also TG230, where I guess the largest part of OK stations communicate.
Regarding the storage of several TGs in the RX sheet of one RPT, it has its advantage, but also a big disadvantage. The advantage is, that we hear significantly more connections, but the disadvantage is, that unless we are currently looking at the station's display, we do not know on which TG someone gave the challenge. And then we "chase" after various TG, when we meet, resp. we won't find it sooner, because in the meantime the opposing station gave up.
You state, that OK does not have an agreed national TG, but to my knowledge it has, and she is 2301, see https://mhz.sk/dmr/ , where is e.g. mentioned, that I quote: “TS1 TG2301: a group of Czech smugglers, TS1 TG2302: a group of Moravian smugglers, TS1 TG2311: a group of Slovak smugglers."
In my opinion, the ideal situation would be this, if even OK stations preferably used instead of TG230, rather TG2301, which would be the most considerate and which would achieve greater network throughput. However, if OK stations would like to broadcast on both OK and OM at the same time, they would use the TG230. And also, if OM stations would like to broadcast on OM+OK at the same time, they would use TG231.
Codeplugs from Teba are an excellent tool and many thanks for them. But that's why we're radio amateurs, that we should also learn how to complete the data ourselves, change, modify and adapt to your needs. I still use your codeplug as a basis, but I have already refilled it dozens of times, expanded, changed and now has about twice the original data and is constantly evolving.AnonymousGuest
Of course, there are many possibilities, just as I already stated in the answer for Tón – regarding the storage of several TGs in the RX sheet of one RPT, it has its advantage, but also a disadvantage. The advantage is, that we hear significantly more connections, but the disadvantage is, that unless we are currently looking at the station's display (or if the station does not have a display), we do not know on which TG someone gave the challenge. And then we "chase" after various TG, when we meet, resp. we won't find it sooner, because in the meantime the opposing station gave up.
But of course, let everyone use such a structure of settings, which he is used to and which suits him best. To, what i wrote, it is meant as a suggestion only, possibly a recommendation, that it could be done differently and maybe better.om1aegParticipant
231 a 2311 are set on each OM operating as a permanent TG, therefore, one and the other TG can be used for the national network.
230 is set to every OK operating as a permanent TG
2301 TG is intended for guilds and is not set on all Moravian operators as TG was, for example https://brandmeister.network/?page=repeater&id=230602
2302 TG is intended for Moravia and is not set on all Czech operators as TG was, for example https://brandmeister.network/?page=repeater&id=230203
So in OK they have only one national TG and that 230 and I can't choose, that I only want to call in OK, schoolboy 230 is set on all OM RPTs, outside KE and Kojsovka. There are many times more users and operators, DMR has been running there longer, so any change on the OK side would be very difficult.
Personally, I don't mind the TG230 on my rpt, I probed among some ODB users whether to solve it and editing the codeplug was enough, traffic there is small anyway. If, however, an agreement was reached based on the requirements of users and sysops, with 230 it will no longer be a permanent TG in OM, so TG231 could remain as the Czechoslovak TG, as it is programmed on most OK RPT as permanent.AnonymousGuest
Clearly, that's all right. The discrepancy was only in that, that OK stations do not have a common TG adequate to OM stations in the case of TG2311. OK stations have it divided into only Czech and only Moravian translators, in the form of TG2301 a 2302. So that we don't overcomplicate it, perhaps it would be worth making a proposal in terms of changing the numbering of TG230x in the case of Czech and Moravian translators as follows: TG2301 would be completely OK after the new one, t.j. Czech and Moravian together, TG2302 is now only Czech, and completely newly created TG2303 only Moravian. One of you recorded an ISS crew, that it is not a complete "hulluz" and from a longer-term perspective - when there are more of us – it would certainly make sense. The sooner it starts, How high above the ground the antenna should be mounted for acceptable all-round performance (so that people get used to that small change sooner and easier).AnonymousGuest
So what do you suggest, TG231, or TG2311, shall we leave things as they are??AnonymousGuest
So I will mostly be on TG2311