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    What wire do you use for HF antennas?

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      ok1rr he June 22, 2014 at 8:06 #13139

      Definitely not a pékáčko!!! Má vysoký odpor, nic nevydrží, přetrhneš ho v ruce. Mluvím samozřejmě o fungl novém. Velmi rychle stárne, PVC izolace ztvrdne, popraská a v prasklinách to velmi rychle koroduje. Beverage 336m z pékáčka nefungovala, mělo to odpor kolem 80 ohmů. Po výměně za obyčejný zvonkový drát to fungovalo dokonale. Berte v úvahu, že většina „pékáčka“ byla vyrobena v 50. a 60. letech minulého století a tehdy nebyly ani materiály, ani technologie.

      It is excellent DX Wire Premium http://www.DX-wire.de/brit/, but it is a bit more expensive. For 80m slopers, I have Cu with a diameter of 3 mm with green-yellow PVC insulation. It has been fine for 27 years. Initially, it stretched a bit (about 15 cm in 5 years), then it settled down and was calm. After several unpleasant experiences, I prefer a full Cu conductor; with stranded wire, there can be problems, e.g. rattling. Watch out for copper-clad wire, the layer of copper can be very thin and tends to crack, then you wonder how a solid wire can rattle.

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      Anonymous he June 27, 2014 at 8:27 #13140

      Copper enameled transformer wire works well, but it has the disadvantage of becoming very brittle over time. We had an antenna stretched from it for several years in the club, and during disassembly, it couldn't be unwound; it simply broke in hand.

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      Anonymous he June 29, 2014 at 8:31 #13141

      Basically, for ham use, a wire antenna can be made from anything.
      Especially if it is at hand and it is cheap.
      The problem is that today anything can be bought, from DX wire to laundry string, everything.
      The problem back then is that we don't have to search, but we just need to have money.
      Buying a 100m reel of CY4 or CY6 wire is not a problem, but the price is high; since the time of the 'copper' peak, cables have always cost too much compared to the price of basic materials.
      Phosphor bronzes have long been forgotten, they are no longer produced because telephone and telegraph overhead lines have been a thing of the past for at least 30-50 years.
      Even FB wire ages, not much, but it does age.
      If someone has a stock at home, it is good to use what is at hand.
      But when it comes to building a self-supporting antenna quickly and relatively cheaply from a material that has high strength and minimal permeability, especially in winter during frost, it is good to reach for something unified and cheap.
      In my opinion, this is FeZn plastic-coated tension wire. It is unified, available, and cheap.
      Today it is already a problem to find even cheaply the once common AlFe wire 10mm for aerial lines.

      PK wire is a good thing for expeditions, short-term installations; this conductor would have been envied even in the USA for its easy availability and low price even today.
      However, finding quality PK wire, for example from the former USSR, or similar, with PE insulation that withstands long-term weather influences and UV radiation, similar to old television twin wire, is almost impossible today for a cheap price.

      Today, for the construction of wire antennas, progressive and cheap conductors such as UTP or FTP cables with a surface coating of PE or PU, with an internal steel supporting reinforcing steel wire, are used for self-supporting applications and outdoor installations, provided we can obtain them as waste.
      A cross-section of 8x 0.5mm is sufficient for normal legal performances.
      But even these conductors are not unified and available, like the plastic-coated FeZn wires.

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      Anonymous he June 30, 2014 at 7:28 #13142

      I would not recommend using UTP cable for antennas and certainly not FTP and STP. UTP cable is heavy and has low load-bearing capacity. UTP contains 8 insulated conductors of 0.205 mm2, which are twisted in pairs. The whole thing is designed so that the cable does not radiate, which is the opposite of what we require from an antenna. STP and FTP cables have aluminum shielding stretched over the bundle of conductors, which is difficult to attach in internal sockets, and I cannot imagine that any power would be applied to it.
      We tried steel 'fencing' wire in the club during communism, and when compared to copper wire, we realized that this is not the way. I doubt that capitalist steel would have better conductivity values.

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      Anonymous he June 30, 2014 at 9:37 PM #13143

      I had a loop of 81m from the UTP cable.
      It worked until it broke.
      I had a loop of 40, 20m, FD4, FD8 from Fe/Zn wire.
      They worked the same as from Cu wire or PK.
      A slightly better PSV value can be attributed to the loss in antenna resistance, but I consider the losses negligible.
      The repeated result is important, I'll leave it to others.
      It may help someone and it may not.

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      om3cvv he July 1, 2014 at 7:08 PM #13144

      Put whatever you find there! The first antenna rule says that a bad antenna is better than none!
      The second rule says that few antennas are on the roof forever. Once you go through this, you won't need any advice. 73 and good luck.

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      Anonymous he July 1, 2014 at 8:47 PM #13145

      German radio amateurs recommend using copper wire for the antenna:
      http://otc.CQ.sk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=514

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      Anonymous he July 3, 2014 at 11:46 AM #13146

      http://www.DX-wire.de/brit/dxwire.htm

      http://www.wimo.de/wireantennas_e.html#40050

      Copper braid Antenna Wire

      http://www.patura.sk/sk/E-shop/Produkty-PATURA/Elektricke-ohrady-ploty-ohradniky/Droty-a-prislusenstvo/Hlinnikove-vodice/Hlinnikovy-drot-r-1-6-mm-400-m-rolka.alej

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      Matej he February 28, 2024 at 8:50 PM #22102

      Just for curiosity, I looked at it, but I haven't seen a bigger nonsense for someone to advise using such wire, especially when we're talking about a price of 4.36€/m!!!! It's better to use military PK with a steel core.

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      om0aao he March 4, 2024 at 9:52 AM #22104

      That discussion is from 10 years ago, the prices were certainly different then. But I don't know which wire comes out to 4.36€/m 🙂

      Certainly, there are differences. I most often use 2.5 mm Cu wire with PVC insulation. However, it has a catch – the PVC cracks and moisture gets into the wire. However, I count on changing it every few years, so if I notice a deterioration in the antenna's properties, it's time to check and replace it.

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      Stevo he March 19, 2024 at 10:36 PM #22132

      I have been using the electrician's stranded wire CYA 2.5 for many years. (or CYA 4) It is sold in several colors, you can choose + standard egg insulators. The green PK wire did not work for me.

      Stevo – om3cmk

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      Stevo he August 25, 2024 at 3:10 AM #22482

      I used the classic electrician's wire CYA 2.5 for the inv vee and it works great.

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      OM800AB he September 9, 2024 at 7:52 PM #22541

      Correct address:

      German radio amateurs recommend using copper wire for the antenna:
      https://otc.CQ.sk/stavba-anteny-dipol-pre-viac-pasiem/

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      OM800AB he November 2, 2024 at 10:22 AM #22103

      German radio amateurs recommend using copper wire for the antenna:

      Construction of a DIPOL antenna for multiple bands

      https://otc.CQ.sk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/download_DG0KW_DG0KW.pdf

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      OM800AB he November 2, 2024 at 10:22 AM #22133

      German radio amateurs recommend using copper wire for the antenna:

      https://otc.CQ.sk/stavba-anteny-dipol-pre-viac-pasiem/

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